there is something unique in the baseline where deficits go down to the mid part of the next ten years and then go right back up. what we want to do is get them on a downward path and keep them down. we not only balance the budget, we go into surpluses and pay off the debt. >> brian: here is chris van hollen. he seems to disagree with everything you say. here is an example. >> i'm used to that. >> let me focus first on what our budget focuses on, which is not just economic growth in jobs in the future, but jobs in economic growth now and in the future. this republican budget is not balanced in ten years. >> brian: is he right? is it not in balance? >> no, it does balance in ten years. they're throwing new meaning to the word balance. they say they're taking a balanced approach. the problem is their balanced approach never, ever balances the budget. from what murray and van hollen's standpoint, a balanced approach is another tax increase, only followed up with more spending increases. they think that's the balanced approach. we actually balance the budget by cutting spending and not rai